Classical  Cultures

Self-Quiz:Thucydides 3.36-50 and 5.84-116

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1. I do not blame those who have proposed a new debate on the subject of Mytilene, and I do not share the view which we have heard expressed, that it is a bad thing to have frequent discussions on matters of importance. Haste and anger are, to my mind, the two greatest obstacles to wise counsel.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

2. It is difficult, and you may be sure that we know it, for us to oppose your power and fortune, unless the terms be equal. Neverheless we trust that the gods will give us fortune as good as yours, because we are standing for what is right against what is wrong;

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

3. We on our side will use no fine phrases saying, for example, that we have a right to our empire because we defeated the Persians, or that we have come against you now because of the injuries you have done us -- a great mass of words that nobody would believe.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

4. When these matters are discussed by practical people, the standard of justice depends on the equality of power to compel and that in fact the strong do what they have the power to do and the weak accept what they have to accept.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

5. The blame is yours, for stupidly instituting these competitive displays. You have become regular speech-goers, and as for action, you merely listen to accounts of it.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

6. Cities and individuals alike, all are by nature disposed to do wrong, and there is no law that will prevent it, as is shown by the fact that men have tried every kind of punishment, constantly adding to the list, in the attempt to find greater security from criminals.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

7. In our view it is at any rate useful that you should not destroy a principle that is to the general good of all men--namely, that in the case of all who fall into danger there should be such a thing as fair play and just dealing, and that such people should be allowed to use and to profit by arguments that fall short of mathematical accuracy

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

8. Punish them as they deserve, and make an example of them to your other allies, plainly showing that revolt will be punished by death

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

9. If we are sensible people, we shall see that the question is not so much whether they are guilty as whether we are making the right decision for ourselves. I might prove that they are the most guilty people in the world, but it does not follow that I shall propose the death penalty, unless that is in your interests; I might argue that they deserve to be forgiven, but should not recommend forgiveness unless that seemed to me the best thing for the state.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

10. By conquering you we shall increase not only the size but the security of our empire. We rule the sea and you are islanders, and weaker islanders too than the others; it is therefore particularly important that you should not escape.

Cleon
Diodotus
Melians
Athenians

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