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this history &  this war: not Homer &  Troy
two cultures: Athens vs Sparta
Athens ideal: no Homer
plague at Athens
how empire rules
city sick  with civil war 
honor vs power
Debate -- The Right Way To Keep an Empire [Mytilene]

 I. Read The Peloponnesian War, pp. 212-223.

TO DO: in blank spaces below & in the margins of your book, NOTE DOWN main issues & themes.

FIND & UNDERLINE in the text the themes underlined in the following outline. 

Plain numbers refer to the section-numbers printed in the margins of the book. 

Numbers in parentheses (1) refer to paragraphs with~in a main section. Square brackets [*] are used, as in previous outlines, to set off groups of sections [66-77]. 

(1) THE ISSUE: 427 B.C.E.



37 CLEON -- his views on:


empire? (cf. p. 161 ¶ 63) 

bad laws vs good laws? 

man in street vs intellectuals

38 Cleon's attitudes to whole GENRE of political oratory, public expectations & tastes:

compare with Pericles, p. 144, ¶ 35: 

contrast Pericles on money, pp. 159 & 164 

contrast Pericles on value of debate, p. 147, ¶ 40.1 

facts vs verbal criticism

VALUE of pleasure in listening?

39.1-3: (1) Main thrust? 

(2) Main thrust?  NOTE general rule of human nature


40.1-3(1) Weight given to pity, pleasure of clever argument, claims of decency, imperial power 

(2) Summation: how does Cleon view power? right? wrong

[42-48: portrait of enlightened imperialism]  

42.1-2 His attitude towards GENRE of political oratory, by contrast with CleonÆs? (cf. ¶ 38 above)

43 Paradox: man with good advice .. has to tell lies .. to be believed

44 (1) What is the bottom line? In other words, on WHAT BASIS should Athens decide according to Diodotus?

45 Value of death penalty in his view? 


(2) IN SUM -- the bottom line again: not to injure ourselves .. secure full use of cities which bring us important contributions

47 Main Thrust? 

48 Main Thrust? 

49 Main Thrust? 

50 Main Thrust? 

STUDY QUESTIONS: answer the following questions on the basis of your reading:

How do the two speakers differ in their views of public speaking? 

Which views most closely resemble those attributed to Pericles (p. 147, ¶ 40.1 proper discussions)? 

Are both speakers equally democratic? 

How do the speakers view the imperial power of Athens? 

In this regard, how do their views relate to those of Pericles? 

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